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« on: February 06, 2009, 11:42:02 PM »

For those that haven't seen them, thought I'd post the links to the Safety Reports published by Health New Zealand. 
The research was conducted on the Ruyan brand.

http://www.healthnz.co.nz/2ndSafetyReport_9Apr08.pdf
http://healthnz.co.nz/RuyanCartridgeReport21-Oct-08.pdf



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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2009, 11:57:10 PM »

Is it just me or do those reports read a bit too much like they are not impartial?
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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2009, 12:06:28 AM »

I think you might be right Abe.  Thing is though I believe he's highly respected in his world so I'm not sure he'd risk his reputation to help Ruyan out.

I take comfort in the fact that most of the base ingredients are the same and he deems them safe.
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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2009, 12:10:33 AM »

This is exactly the sort of info I was looking for Lil!!!!

An initial analysis of the first one for people who don't want to read it start to end is interesting indeed:-


None of these methods allows the smoker to continue to enjoy the sensation of drawing
on a cigarette to get the nicotine

smoking can be either by quitting smoking entirely, or switching to a non-tobacco
smoking product.

many smokers are unwilling to quit their
addiction to nicotine. The Ruyan® e-cigarette provides an easier escape route for
smokers.

No nicotine poisoning effects have been reported for the Ruyan® e-cigarette

Dose-control. For each puff, “what you inhale is what you get”. The smoker is protected
from unwanted nicotine by the electronic circuitry shutting off almost immediately after
each puff is taken. The smoker controls the size of the puff which determines the nicotine
dose. The strength of the dose is immediately and correctly signalled by the irritation to
the back of the throat, as no menthol is used to anaesthetise it. Thus the smoker is able to
accurately control the dose from puff to puff.

With a zero-nicotine Ruyan® e-cigarette, there is no harshness on the throat, and without
such negative feedback, the smoker may puff more frequently, but virtually no nicotine is
inhaled. Purchasing 16 mg, 11 mg, 6 mg or 0 mg nicotine strengths of cartridge provides
another way in which Ruyan® e-cigarette smokers can pre-regulate their nicotine intake.

Ruyan®
e-cigarette users will be mainly current or past tobacco smokers, and for that reason are at
increased risk of heart attack, stroke or lung cancer. Tobacco cigarette smokers have two
to three times the annual death rate of non-smokers, and have ten times the risk of sudden
cardiac death. Deaths of e-cigarette users may be wrongly blamed on their new
e-cigarettes, rather than their past smoking of tobacco.

As puffs from the 16 mg nicotine Ruyan®
cartridge contain one third to one half the nicotine in a tobacco cigarette puff, and
Ruyan® e-cigarette smokers take up to four days to finish a cartridge, smokers are most
unlikely to absorb more nicotine from Ruyan® e-cigarettes than previously absorbed
from tobacco.

If the e-cigarette contained a 16 mg per 1 g of cartridge liquid, instead of the 0 mg
cartridge as in Table 2, then, assuming the nicotine was equally concentrated across all
puffs, and assuming all breaths are lung inhalations, 1.5 mg of liquid went into the
average puff, providing an estimated 1.5 * 16ug nicotine per puff = 24 micrograms of
nicotine,. Fifteen puffs would thus supply 360 ug or 0.36 mg of nicotine, that is one fifth
of the amount from one cigarette.

Lung inhalation results in three times as much cartridge liquid being inhaled, as from
shallow inhalation confined to mouth and throat.

The Ruyan® e-cigarette does not cause nicotine addiction in smokers, as most cigarette
smokers are already addicted to nicotine. E-cigarettes are not expected to increase the
need for nicotine in smokers, as each smoker needs a certain amount of nicotine each day,
and the brain receptor cells cannot distinguish where the nicotine molecule comes from
(smoked tobacco, tobacco snuff, or e-cigarette).

The 16 mg, 11 mg nicotine cartridges are expected to satisfy the cravings and maintain
the addiction of smokers who wish to stay on nicotine.

Smokers who try the e-cigarette will either:
• Try the e-cigarette experimentally, then revert to tobacco smoking as before.
• Use the e-cigarette as a temporary aid to quitting smoking entirely.
• Switch permanently to e-cigarette (and no longer smoke tobacco) .
• Continue to use both e-cigarette and tobacco cigarettes

The invention of the e-cigarette means society must now distinguish between
• Very harmful (tobacco) smoking, and harmless (e-cigarette) smoking; and
• very harmful addiction (associated with smoking) and fairly harmless addiction
(associated with the e-cigarette).
Regulators in Western countries are likely to
• prohibit sale of nicotine e-cigarette refills to under-18s, in line with restrictions on
cigarette sales to youth
• permit e-cigarette use in most areas where tobacco cigarette smoking is banned
• permit e-cigarette advertising in countries permitting advertising of NRT.
• continue to enforce existing bans on the advertising of smoking tobacco.


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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2009, 12:13:00 PM »

Thanks Ladies for this information.... Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2009, 04:37:57 PM »

thats a really well defined and objective view of ecigarettes, this should be adevertised across the world to non-smokers and smokers alike.

fantasic find lil!

ps have some karma!
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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2009, 04:45:25 PM »

thats a really well defined and objective view of ecigarettes, this should be adevertised across the world to non-smokers and smokers alike.

fantasic find lil!

ps have some karma!

OOOH! Wolfy!  Am afraid I'm not that good.  Those links are on several forums... suppose you could say I found them there...  Wink

Thanks for the karma, don't smite me now for owning up!  Grin
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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2009, 04:47:35 PM »

Don't steal my thunder Lil!
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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2009, 04:49:12 PM »

thats a really well defined and objective view of ecigarettes, this should be adevertised across the world to non-smokers and smokers alike.

fantasic find lil!

ps have some karma!

OOOH! Wolfy!  Am afraid I'm not that good.  Those links are on several forums... suppose you could say I found them there...  Wink

Thanks for the karma, don't smite me now for owning up!  Grin

LOL thats ok, you can keep the karma for being honest lol  Kiss
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« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2009, 04:50:14 PM »

Don't steal my thunder Lil!

Quite right too!  Spiral went to the trouble of gathering the most salient points and displaying them here for your viewing pleasure  Smiley  Karma + from me to you babe!
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« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2009, 04:52:30 PM »

hehe aww thanks hon Smiley no I was on about my smitten I worked soooo effortlessly to achieve!
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« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2009, 11:31:07 PM »

I may be wrong but I'd like to share it.. it may be useless thou.. just my "beginner's own opinion".. Grin

let's put aside all these nicotine inhaling calculations.. WHO still won't accept e-cig because they insist smokers doesn't have control over how much mg nicotine they're inhaling but that's just stupid.. You'll need to inhal ALOT nicotine INSTANTLY in order to reach the danger zone.. and e-cig producers are aware of it that's why the chip is there to cut it off when it's too much.. ok even consumers are able to mod it or using dip to have like 50mg+ nic (they must be dumb..).. It's still not producer's fault.. But I don't think WHO really do care about this.. what they're saying is simply "have not been properly tested by us, that's why we're not permitting it". Again they don't want to test it because they're scared of the result? if e-cig really did successfully gone through all the test.. then all the nic-gum and many other smoke-quitting products they've created will become total failure, and they won't be able to earn a penny because e-cig aren't their product unless they produse their own, aka starting from scratch.. but too bad they're late because other producers are long way ahead.

And one more thing we need to be sure and of course to TEST.. just to prove.. is "Does inhaling Propylene Glycol and all the other components you can find in the e-liquid harm your body".. I'm not smart nor do I know much about all these stuffs.. The only thing I know is Propylene Glycol is been used in many food ingrediences or whatsoever.. and FDA has recognized it as safe.. but still.. we're INHALING it.. not EATING it.. it 2 different things and it should be clear that whether it's safe or not for people to INHALE them.. and all the other stuffs.. As long we can prove all these things to WHO.. the only matter left is nicotine..

Again.. these stuffs are recognised as safe but inhaling is another matter.. because there are chemical reactions inside our body.. the lung may break them down and add stuffs and blabla.. who knows.. only chemicals know :x

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Hope this helps.. if not.. ignore  Grin
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« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2009, 11:42:51 PM »

I agree with you Kaz....its so complicated....I don't think it would take that much testing to see whether it was safe or not...its the no-smoking lobby that is the main problem, to me they're totally tunnel visioned about the subject...trying to protect their little corner of power...

my conclusion is that it is probably safer than smoking....
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« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2009, 12:31:44 AM »

o yer and for users who are using 0mg nic e-liquid they are all probably after the "feel" to smoke.. not really nic addicted.. It would give them another guarantee if we can prove that inhaling e-liquid components are harmless and can be served as a hobby only.

hey who says smoking nicotine-free is waste of money? I don't see it's a waste when you're smoking it as a hobby.. besides.. it doesn't harm your body at all.. yes it may sound REALLY dumb and waste of money but LOL I guess it goes the same to the collectors.. people won't understand us smoking nicotine-free as a hobby as we don't understand why they're wasting enormous of money to COLLECT something that stays in the glass shelf covered in dust.

Heck I'm trying to rightous myself for vaping lol

Anyways.. to test the components in e-liquid whether it's harmful or not is quite important for producers, in order to gain trusts from consumsers.

tbh I've found it funny when I heard people vaping nic free.. then isn't it pure water? I mean.. it's steam + additional (uncertain) stuffs.. still.. are they 100% harmless?
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« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2009, 12:24:15 PM »

I think the main thing that the opposers of the e-cig will latch onto is the relentless use of the words 'healthy' and especially 'harmless' in the (mainly chinese manufacturers) advertising when they are clearly and obviously neither.

Nicotine itself is a powerful poison (nothing new here) and it does have a progressive detrimental effect on the body even in the microdoses we intake, there is plenty of research out there that clearly shows this.

As very well written up in the posts above, we have nothing but a best guess scenario on the long-term effects of concentrating and inhaling propylene glycol vapours, not to mention all the other additives..

I am not knocking e-cigs here as I am a 'happy' user, but I think that harm reduction should really be the way to advertise these, rather than coming in with the unproven definitives 'healthy', 'harmless' and 'safe' as it will be these terms that the anti crowd will zero in on, why give them the ammo in the first place? 

Just my 1/50th of a pound...

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« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2009, 08:19:09 PM »

It's very true, my main concerns when switching from fags is not the nicotine content, but the effect on the lungs from what you are inhaling. But I figured we all know fags cause cancer heart attacks etc (in the majority of cases) but as far as we are aware SO FAR these don't. Hey they may still kill us, but at least in the very worse case they'll definately be no worse than fags! (unless we're all dead net year!! But hey, at least we smell so bad as when we smaked Wink

After using my eciggy for about 3 weeks with the medium liquid from on here I have noticed a few things. Firstly pains in my side and liquid waterfalls in the first week. That's all gone now, and may have been a coincidence with drinking too much JD.

But one thing I have noticed, I used to smoke only 2-4 normal cigs a day. However I am now using about 2-3 cartridge refills a day as I tend to use it a lot in the evening when I'm sitting round the house, and at lunch at work. I have felt increasing twitchy and very easily aggravated ( to put it mildly!)... basically I seem to have turned into a bit of an aggressive *unt. Does anyone thing this could be down to the large increase in nicotine? if a cartridge is about 5-10 fags, that means I've essentially gone from 2-4 fags worth a day, to 15-30 a day. 

Has anyone else noticed similar effects or think it could be down to the nicotine?

I'm thinking about trying the 0mg liquid to at least have the enjoyment/relaxation of vaping but lay of the nicotine for a bit to see if I can calm down. having a few issues in my life right now and feeling hyped up and aggro isn't the best thing!!

would love to here peoples opinions or experiences with this.
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« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2009, 09:41:18 PM »

I have felt increasing twitchy and very easily aggravated ( to put it mildly!)... basically I seem to have turned into a bit of an aggressive *unt. Does anyone thing this could be down to the large increase in nicotine? if a cartridge is about 5-10 fags, that means I've essentially gone from 2-4 fags worth a day, to 15-30 a day. 

Has anyone else noticed similar effects or think it could be down to the nicotine?

I've not really noticed any increased aggression, I am a crabby twat in the mornings but that's pretty normal for me, I tend to mellow after a few mugs of coffee and then wonder why nobody's talking to me  Cheesy

One thing I have noticed however since starting on e-cigs is lethargy, serious lethargy. I feel like a 90yr old most of the time now and find I am fighting to stay awake from mid-day onwards. Not really sure what to do, being a typical bloke I am flatly refusing to bother the doctor with it, but if I am still like this in a couple of weeks I may have to, cos I can't keep falling aslee....rfgsdnvcuaysrdgtcndzskjcfb dxzjkmcfjx

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« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2009, 11:56:15 PM »

Maz...I'm having the same problem...not sure if its a virus, friends tell me there's something like it going around at the moment..
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« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2009, 01:16:05 AM »

The only change I've noticed is that I'd rather have an ecig than a cig.......... but I wouldn't claim to be normal on any scale Tongue
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« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2009, 05:18:34 PM »

Laugesen's peer-reviewed paper is supposed to be published in April, although I can't find any exact details.

From what I've pieced together, his paper is to be delivered to the Dublin SNRT Conference - which takes place 27-30 April.

According to Health NZ:
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Comparison of toxicity of RYO and factory-made cigarettes (21 October 2008)
 
Data from 48 smokers have been analysed and will be presented at the Dublin SRNT conference April 2009. www.srnt.org A paper is being submitted for publication in a scientific journal. This study was funded by the Health Sponsorship Council.

What I can't find out is whether Laugesen's paper is just based on the results of this study, if Laugesen will just be using the results as well as other data, or if this paper and Laugesen's are two separate papers.
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« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2009, 11:11:04 PM »

I may be wrong but I'd like to share it.. it may be useless thou.. just my "beginner's own opinion".. Grin

let's put aside all these nicotine inhaling calculations.. WHO still won't accept e-cig because they insist smokers doesn't have control over how much mg nicotine they're inhaling but that's just stupid.. You'll need to inhal ALOT nicotine INSTANTLY in order to reach the danger zone.. and e-cig producers are aware of it that's why the chip is there to cut it off when it's too much.. ok even consumers are able to mod it or using dip to have like 50mg+ nic (they must be dumb..).. It's still not producer's fault.. But I don't think WHO really do care about this.. what they're saying is simply "have not been properly tested by us, that's why we're not permitting it". Again they don't want to test it because they're scared of the result? if e-cig really did successfully gone through all the test.. then all the nic-gum and many other smoke-quitting products they've created will become total failure, and they won't be able to earn a penny because e-cig aren't their product unless they produse their own, aka starting from scratch.. but too bad they're late because other producers are long way ahead.

And one more thing we need to be sure and of course to TEST.. just to prove.. is "Does inhaling Propylene Glycol and all the other components you can find in the e-liquid harm your body".. I'm not smart nor do I know much about all these stuffs.. The only thing I know is Propylene Glycol is been used in many food ingrediences or whatsoever.. and FDA has recognized it as safe.. but still.. we're INHALING it.. not EATING it.. it 2 different things and it should be clear that whether it's safe or not for people to INHALE them.. and all the other stuffs.. As long we can prove all these things to WHO.. the only matter left is nicotine..

Again.. these stuffs are recognised as safe but inhaling is another matter.. because there are chemical reactions inside our body.. the lung may break them down and add stuffs and blabla.. who knows.. only chemicals know :x

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Hope this helps.. if not.. ignore  Grin

Bits from the reports re PG and human

May be more but I'm not a scientist so only skimming through.

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Propylene glycol C3H8O2 is a completely water soluble liquid, and is prepared by hydrolysis of propylene oxide under pressure at high temperature without a catalyst. It is used in pharmaceuticals, as a drug vehicle (for example as an FDA approved solvent for intravenous diazepam) and preservative. It is used also in personal lubricants. It is used in semi-moist pet food and as a humectant for tobacco. In the food industry it is used as a solvent, humectant and preservative. Its mist is used in theatrical stage productions.1 At low humidity, PG is a vapor; as dose and humidity increase it is held in the form of mist or fog, and at 100% humidity as in the lungs, it is dissolved.

Propylene glycol in humans
The toxicology website http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/ was searched for PG, using terms such as human, aerosol, NOEL, carcinogenicity, inhalation. A review of PG has concluded it is safe for use in cosmetics at concentrations up to 50%.6
Absorption. PG vapor has 100% deposition efficiency in human airways.7
It is partly absorbed on inhalation. PG is absorbed completely from the gastrointestinal tract and partly and partly through the skin.
Metabolism. It is metabolized to lactic acid and pyruvic acid, and further oxidized to glycogen or carbon dioxide and water. In man, approximately 20-25% of the PG is eliminated unchanged via the kidney.
Inhalational safety in children. In a series of experiments to control airborne infections, over 105 children were subjected to bactericidal concentrations of propylene glycol in the wards of a children’s convalescent home in experiments conducted over 3 years.
Method. Six wards of the Children’s Seashore House in Atlanta containing 105 bedfast children aged 3 to 15 years were divided into 3 control and 3 undergoing vaporization for 3 week periods with 2 to 3 days between, before the control wards become vaporized, and the vaporized wards became controls. This rotation continued for 7 months. The PG was heated to vaporize it, but not above 80 degrees C, and vaporization continuously maintained a concentration of 0.069 mg per liter. (0.07 ppm)
Results. No ill effects were reported. In the first year, 100 infections occurred in control wards without PG, and 5 in wards with PG vaporization, with rates of 0.18 per week and 0.09 per week respectively. Most of the upper respiratory infections in control wards were common colds, suggesting the PG is also virucidal.8

Overall conclusion
Several toxicants in headspace of the Ruyan® e-cigarette cartridge have, on some tests, been found, specifically acrolein and acetaldehyde, at very low levels, and at levels below those determined to be harmful, and well below the minimum risk levels accepted by the US Public Health Service and OSHA.
The results obtained to date do not mitigate this report’s overall conclusion that the Ruyan® e-cigarette is designed to be a safe alternative to smoking, and appears to be safe in absolute terms on all measurements we have applied.
Direct tests of the safety of the e-cigarette mist are in their final stage.
18 October 2008

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As far as I can see the basics are fine - the only thing is what flavourings are added as it does not say what flavours have been tested. I think may be only tobacco flavours by the sound of it, although thinking about it there was a mention of coffee somewhere.

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