To much nicotine??

[gmoney243]

cant remember now but i read somewhere that an analog cig has about 1.1mg of nicotine which is why the companies advertise that the E-cigs get 15-20 cigs per cart. because with a high nic cart 18mg u get about 15-20 cigs worth of nicotine.
but with the e-cigs u dont get that many puffs worth as u would a whole pack so its much easier to smoke 2 or 3 carts a day or more so seems to me now we all are getting more nicotine than we was before. also i read that a 30ml bottle has about 600 drops worth in it = about 150 refills which is about 150 packs worth.
 
i saw one person say they used a 30ml bottle every 12 days so thats like 12.5 packs a day of cigs worth of nicotine. dunno exactly how accurate this info is but if it is true then i think a lot of people r just changing health problems instead of getting rid of them lol.

[Sirico]

hey gmoney couldnt find the post I was looking for this is as close as I got http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/nicotine/3285-nicotine-measurements.html hope it helps

edit: if you dont want to trawl Kate posted this http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pO0wYTXSxf-FVcqAIb-GdIQ&pli=1 it is homemade so thhe scientific validity is based on common knowladge or previous studies

[moog]

Please could somebody explain all this to me...I do want to know but can't understand the forum findings...


If I smoke 20 average strength cigarettes a day, what is the average in ml equivalent using 14 mg strength, I need to vape?

[steveg1969]

Please could somebody explain all this to me...I do want to know but can't understand the forum findings...


If I smoke 20 average strength cigarettes a day, what is the average in ml equivalent using 14 mg strength, I need to vape?

I think this may be correct,the average strength of a cig is 1.6 to 1.9 mg of nicotine per cig.

So from the chart 16 mg strength juice  is equal to  0.8 mg per drop so two drops would be 1.6 mg equal to one average strength cig.

They say there are twenty drops in one ml so 20  divided by two drops would be equal to ten cigs.
So from what i can gather 2ml of juice would equal 20 real cigs.

On that calculation a 30ml bottle of 16mg juice is equal to 300 cigs.

hope this helps

[moog]

Thank you...it does...

[jonuk76]

Measuring by drop is suspect to me. I mean I get much bigger drops from TW's monster droppers compared to say a Janty 10ml bottle.

Strength measurements on the nicotine fluid are per gram of liquid. If you work on a rough 1g = 1ml basis, which is about right, 1.5ml of 14mg fluid would be about the same in nicotine content as a pack of 20 average cigs.

[moog]

Does that mean I could vape 3ml of 7mg fluid to get the same 20 cigs.

[jonuk76]

Roughly yes. Personally I prefer to vape less and use stronger fluid.

[Wolfeslad]

I wouldnt take the calcs as gospel, as has previously been said they are home made calcs.

Basic biology staes that an average human only motabolises 17-25% of the oxygen in any 1 normal breath, and that when exhalled there is still nearly 80% oxygen in the breath (this is why CPR works).

Given this, when inhaling say a breath containing 18mg nicotine the logic would dictate that the body only motabolises maybe 20% of that. The fact that in a 30 ml bottle there maybe 18mg of nic, then a 1ml drop when inhaled would contain 18/30=0.6mg nicotine. therefore if you motabolise 20% of that 1ml drop when inhaled then you will only recieve 0.12mg of nic in each "drag" then times 10 drags (averagee per analogue), you would receive 1.2mg nic, so 18mg sounds about right as long as you dont do it constantly.


My brain hurts now 

[moog]

Surely then a 20ml 18mg bottle is stronger in nicotine than a 30ml 18mg bottle. I don't understand? I thought the strength in a 20 and 30ml bottle were the same, it just the amount of liquid is different.

[spiraller]

Surely then a 20ml 18mg bottle is stronger in nicotine than a 30ml 18mg bottle. I don't understand? I thought the strength in a 20 and 30ml bottle were the same, it just the amount of liquid is different.

I was trying to find out the strength Moog, I found quotes relating it to be strength in mg per gram. Which leads us to the fact that we have our bottles in mls. If we take 1ml to be 1gram thats one interpretation, but 1ml will not equal 1 gram (water is one gram per ml, 1litre of water weighs 1kg). Ejuice is denser than water so will have a greater mass per ml. If you follow me lol

The easiest way of looking at it is to say that 1ml of juice has about x mg nicotine (eg if u buy 24mg ejuice, 1ml should contain a little more than 24mg of  nicotine).

Without knowing the specific density of ejuice we can't be more precise than that  unless Abe or Jason can answer it.

Gonna put my scientific head away as its the weekend lol

[moog]

Thanks Spiraller I think I understand...

[jonuk76]

Heres an explaination I found on the First Union website (they make a lot of the e-cigs sold commonly)

The content of nicotine liquid we use in the assorted
E cigarette cartridge is as follow :

High strength 18mg/ml  (Nicotine/liquid) 
Med strength 14mg/ml
Low strength 11mg/ml

Volume of all our e cigarette cartridge, as follow :

RN4081 0.3 ml  ( liquid )
RN4075 0.5 ml
RN4072 1.0 ml
RN4062 1.0 ml

About the Nicotine, here to show you how many pieces of traditional
cigarettes equal to 1 e-cig cartridge :

          RN4081    RN4075    RN4072    RN4062
High    5 pc        8pc          16pc        16pc
Med    4pc         6pc          12pc        12pc
Low     3pc         5pc          10pc        10pc

The RN4081 is the Super-mini, the RN4075 is the mini (DSE901), the RN4072 is the pen style, and the RN4062 is the e-cigar. The table is based on an average 1.1mg nicotine per cigarette.

[ProStreet]

i saw one person say they used a 30ml bottle every 12 days so thats like 12.5 packs a day of cigs worth of nicotine.

That would be me. Honestly I dont think our lungs absorb the nicotine from the vapor like they do from the smoke of a real cig. Vapor is nothing more than an atomized liquid. The liquid holds the nicotine. Look how much vapor you exhale. Smoke from a real cig transfers the nicotine much more efficiently because it is dry and the nicotine hits the lungs hard. Now if we were to inhale the vapor and hold it for a while before we exhale then the vapor would have a chance to transfer more of the nicotine like real smoke does.

[Purpplo]

  Well, I don't know about too much nic, but this is by far too much math.  I just posed a simple volume problem, needing only algebra, then to come upon this page where I need a scientific calculator just to follow the discussion!!

Apparently vaping either attracts or creates mathematic geniuses (genii?)!!

[efaglil]

Not particularly relevant but thought worthy of mentioning...

Taking for granted the fact that the nicotine stated on an analogue packet is absolute, ie. the whole unlit cigarette contains 1mg of nicotine for example.  It's not possible to take in all that nicotine.  We take a drag or two, it continues to burn.  Therefore we don't get all of the nicotine because some is burned away.

[moog]

Surely...when we inhale we do not absorb all the nicotine whether it be analogue or e-cig....is that true?

[spiraller]

This excerpt taken from http://www.tgorski.com/news_analysis/nicotine_addiction_pathophysiology_010629.htm

<<The tobacco cigarette is the most toxic and addictive widely used vehicle for nicotine delivery. Nicotine is distilled at the tip of a burning cigarette where it is carried by particulate matter ("tar" droplets) deep into the lungs with inspired air. The nearly 2000°F microblast at the cigarette's tip is also the source of carbon monoxide and many other toxicologically significant pyrolysis products. Nicotine is rapidly absorbed in the alveoli of the lung, concentrated in the pulmonary veins as a bolus, and pumped by the left ventricle of the heart throughout the body. Absorption characteristics are similar to those of gases (such as oxygen) that are exchanged in the lung from inspired air to venous blood (33). Thus, smoke inhalation produces arterial boli that may be 10 times more concentrated than the levels measured in venous blood (33). A similar phenomenon of arterial boli occurs when cocaine is smoked, adding to the addictiveness and toxicity of "crack" cocaine (13).

Most cigarettes contain about 8-9 mg of nicotine, of which the smoker generally obtains 1-3 mg (4). The typical pack-per-day smoker obtains 20-40 mg of nicotine each day and may achieve venous plasma levels that are substantially higher than values produced by nicotine transdermal systems (6, 14).>>

[efaglil]

Cool, well done Spiral.  Will go and have a read...   

Moo?  Am also trying to find the excerpt from Dr Laugesen report about nicotine per puff from Ruyan... quite conflicting though so bear with me...

[spiraller]

Okay my final answer. This is taken from the website http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/content/full/48/9/1460 and think it answers Moog nicely

<<During the past three decades, there has been an increasing focus on cigarette smoking and the adverse health consequences associated with it. Most people are aware of the dangers of smoking, and many are aware that nicotine causes addiction. Because nicotine is the primary causative agent in addiction to tobacco products (1), assessment of nicotine metabolism and disposition has become an integral part of nicotine dependence treatment.

One cigarette contains an average of 8.4 mg of nicotine. When tobacco is burned, nicotine is aerosolized into tar droplets that deliver 1.6 mg of nicotine per cigarette. The hydrogen ion concentration (pH) of tobacco determines how much free base is delivered. The flue-cured tobaccos used in cigarettes are acidic (pH 5.5), whereas the air-dried tobaccos used in pipe and cigar tobaccos are alkaline (pH 8.5). Burned alkaline tobacco products yield higher free-base nicotine concentrations in smoke compared with acidic tobacco products (2)(3).

Inhaled tobacco smoke reaches the small airways and alveoli of the lungs, where 82–92% of nicotine is absorbed in a pH-dependent fashion. Nicotine absorbed into the pulmonary circulation distributes rapidly to brain and heart tissues. Nicotine reaches the central nervous system within 20 s of tobacco smoke inhalation. Nicotine has short distribution (8 min) and elimination (2 h) half-lives. During the first 2 min of nicotine absorption, the arterial concentration exceeds the venous concentration by 6- to 10-fold. Rapid delivery of nicotine to the brain produces the intense, positive pharmacologic response that most cigarette smokers seek (4)(5) and is thought to be a key factor in nicotine dependence (6). The fraction of nicotine that reaches the systemic circulation is <5% protein bound and exhibits a volume of distribution averaging 2.6 L/kg (3)(7). >>

[moog]

Wow....thanks Spiraller

[Purpplo]

  From calculus to term papers--is this E-Cig University or maybe Nicotine High School.

[JRB2inFL]

From calculus to term papers--is this E-Cig University or maybe Nicotine High School.

Purpplo

I agree this is definitely one heck of an education going on here!!

I'm definitely a student of Nic High!!!   

[Spoink]

Well i dont know if im soaking up more nic compared to analogues or not .... but probably am knowing my addictive nature coupled with the convenient ease of use of the e-cig

since i switched over .. i have been having plenty of heart palpitations .... or what i think may be heart palpitations, since i dont really know what they are

there is a slight tightness in my chest .. seems to build up in pressure for a few seconds ... then, POP ... my heart goes thud .. then its gone ...  happens again about a minute later .. and so on .... thats what i notice lying in bed at night ... it happens during teh day too, but far less frequent, although i may be less likely to notice during the day if im more active

Easy to say its down to over doing it with the e-cig .. but since i started taking that at same time i stopped analogues .. it could be withdrawal ?

[squeaker]

okay i've ead all the other replies and answers below and this could be a really stupid question but,
why is that on a 8mg/low level juice that i find that i'm not getting all the nicotine i want or that i'm used to better yet? i know that the nicotine is what i crave but is it possible that the body also craves the toxins from analog when you first convert to vaping or is there just something i'm missing with my vaping period?

[nodrog]

I have the same problem, even if I vape 36mg I still crave an analog after a couple of hours.

I don't Know what it is but could explain why patches, gum etc don't work for me.

[squeaker]

i don't get it but glad to know that stuff don't help.

my husband thinks i'm gonna get nicotine poison the way i vap so much

[moog]

..if you go to Question and Answers...then TW bottles...Keef has done a chart which I found very useful....

[squeaker]

alright thanks for that