Propylene Glycerine or Propylene Glycol

[light487]

Caz

Thanks again - that is brilliant. No wonder the stocks of Platinum Ice have been depleted rapidly. Still, I'm sure at some point Nick will be producing larger quantities (unless someone beats him to it! lol).

I love the idea of the Decadent Vapour range / Platinum Ice - at least you know who's producing it!

Even if someone were to beat him to the punch with higher quantities.. TW and DV are names you can trust in this young (virtually newborn) industry.. So I don't think the demand for these products will wane any time soon

[light487]

This calculator may give you some idea  http://www.todmuller.com/ejuice/ejuice.php  

or you could use the guidelines to the platinum ice mixing kit http://www.totallywicked-eliquid.co.uk/products/totally-wickeds-dv-premier-range/platinum-ice-54mg-mixing-juice-product.html

With that calculator.. it shows flavour as a percentage, the default is 20% flavour.. is that the standard? Does anyone know what percentage flavours TW eJuice is?

Either way you would just substitute flavour with more VG/PG if the flavour was too strong.. but it would be nice to know what the standards are.

[dereck72]

I just want to buy PG USP or I guess Prop Glycerine if it is also safe.

Does anyone know where a guy in Florida can just walk in and buy this stuff?

Try looking at Walmart online.  I'd have checked, but thier site was down right now.  Look for Wilton's brand glycerin.  Thats what RitaLee76 used in her vids.

[capt12b]

Cool thanks. Yesterday I did find VG and vaped it and to my surprise I really liked it so then I played mad scientist. I mixed vodka and natural tobacco and blended it in my bullet blender. I let it sit a few hours then filtered it through coffee filters. Took the product and reduced it over 1/2 on stove. Filtered that sludge again and mixed with vg. It vaped and seemed to have nic but not sure how strong it is. Taste- well more like tobacco than anything I have vaped before, but I would not say it was good. Not unvapable though. In the future I would continue to reduce it to maybe 1/4 because it seemed a little runny and then look for some cherry or other flavor to add. Bottom line I now know if the FDA had their way, I could still make my own juice

[Nick OTeen]

This calculator may give you some idea  http://www.todmuller.com/ejuice/ejuice.php  

or you could use the guidelines to the platinum ice mixing kit http://www.totallywicked-eliquid.co.uk/products/totally-wickeds-dv-premier-range/platinum-ice-54mg-mixing-juice-product.html

With that calculator.. it shows flavour as a percentage, the default is 20% flavour.. is that the standard? Does anyone know what percentage flavours TW eJuice is?

It varies hugely - anything over about 5% menthol is going to be stronger than most folks want, while there are some weak flavours you can get in cook shops that you'll need to add 50% to get a reasonably strong taste out of them.
I can't comment on the regular 'red label' TW range, but the DV concentrates advise "10-25% according to taste" (and most of the premixed juices are about 15%) It's really down to personal preference - some people like loads of flavour, others find 15% overpowering.
You can't please all the people all the time, but the main benefit of mixing your own is that you can at least please yourself,  most of the time

[Nick OTeen]

Cool thanks. Yesterday I did find VG and vaped it and to my surprise I really liked it so then I played mad scientist. I mixed vodka and natural tobacco and blended it in my bullet blender. I let it sit a few hours then filtered it through coffee filters. Took the product and reduced it over 1/2 on stove. Filtered that sludge again and mixed with vg. It vaped and seemed to have nic but not sure how strong it is. Taste- well more like tobacco than anything I have vaped before, but I would not say it was good. Not unvapable though. In the future I would continue to reduce it to maybe 1/4 because it seemed a little runny and then look for some cherry or other flavor to add. Bottom line I now know if the FDA had their way, I could still make my own juice

And even if they ever ban the hardware, just pick yourself up a Wizard Stick, and vape your homebrew in that

[dereck72]

Where'd you wing up getting the VG Capt?  I'd be careful heating it up...nothing over 400 deg.

[capt12b]

The local health food store had vg I have never used VG, always been worried about VG because I have heard that above 400 it degrades into toxic gas and worst yet it gives you gas. But yest it was all I could find so I bought the best vg they had safe for internal use, took some and vaped it straight and it was good monster cloud of vap, pleasant taste and I got no gas so it seems ok to me

[dereck72]

I did notice that on the VG I had, VG makes more vape but it is a lot thicker than pg, does that cut down on atty life?

[capt12b]

And even if they ever ban the hardware, just pick yourself up a Wizard Stick, and vape your homebrew in that

LOL, I didn’t know a thing like that was out there but am sure if I was seen driving around town using that the cops would be having a talk with me.

[dereck72]

lol...we could shoot each other in the face with the zero blaster! http://www.amazon.com/Zero-Blaster-Blasts-Smoke-Rings/dp/B000FAIY1M/ref=pd_bxgy_t_img_c

[Nick OTeen]

I did notice that on the VG I had, VG makes more vape but it is a lot thicker than pg, does that cut down on atty life?

Not overall. VG will tend to gunge up your atty a bit faster than PG, but on the positive side, the gunge is easier to clean off (a good rinse with boiling water gets most of it out.) It takes longer to build up that impermeable black crud that PG produces.

[dereck72]

Heres a question...It's ok to mix PG and VG together right?  I would mix in a lil VG to some PG based eliquid just to get a lil thicker of a vape.

[Nick OTeen]

Heres a question...It's ok to mix PG and VG together right?  I would mix in a lil VG to some PG based eliquid just to get a lil thicker of a vape.

Yeah - it's fine. The regular TW juice has 20% VG in it for precisely that effect.

[dereck72]

Very cool, so once you get a flavor down, you could tweak the recipe even further.  I can see how this can be a lotta fun.

[Nick OTeen]

Very cool, so once you get a flavor down, you could tweak the recipe even further.  I can see how this can be a lotta fun.

Oh yes There's endless scope for exprimentation. I'm quite convinced that everyone has an inner Mad Scientist, just waiting to leap out and astonish them!

[Bryndoc]

Quite...

It's a little bonus; a distraction after giving up analogues, and a fascinating one at that

I love being educated by your erudition in this nascent world of vaping. And I think history might make pleasant reading in due course.

Bryn

[smokinmonkey]

had a question about the aquiouse glycerin.... is that ok to use in a 70/30 pg-vg solution for "taste/vapor clouding".... or does it need to be a bit stronger because its already mixed for regular vaping quality?

[StevieD]

Hiya smokinmonkey, welcome to the forum. No problem at all with the mix you were asking about, aqueous glycerin has just been diluted slightly to make it the same sort of consistency as the PG as pure glycerin is like syrup. You can mix PG, glycerin and PEG together in whatever proportions you want to suit your tastes. The TW Red Label juices are primarily PG with 20% VG added to thicken then and improve vapour production. Hope this helps.
Happy vaping.

[booker]

Yeah, can't argue with that - I just hoped it might simplify the payment issues (and the shipping charges )

maybe, but I don't understand Polish at all. Website have no english version unfortunately.

PM me if you need anything to be translated from Polish


and btw. Boots's Glycerin is 100% v/v   (duno what is v/v )

[Nick OTeen]

Yeah, can't argue with that - I just hoped it might simplify the payment issues (and the shipping charges )

maybe, but I don't understand Polish at all. Website have no english version unfortunately.

PM me if you need anything to be translated from Polish


and btw. Boots's Glycerin is 100% v/v   (duno what is v/v )

v/v means "volume divided by volume" - it's an indication of the percentage of the volumes of 2 liquids in a mixture, as opposed to solids or pharmaceutically active ingredients dissolved in liquids, which are always quoted w/v = weight by volume, eg:  nicotine labelled "54mg/ml" is w/v. There are 54mg of nicotine in every ml of the fluid, even though nicotine too is a liquid at room temperature.

The TW aqueous glycerine is 85% v/v, or 850ml/L (because it's 15% deionised water.) They're both liquids, and they have different densities, and they are not dosage-critical pharmaceutical compounds like nicotine, so the exact weight is not important (as well as difficult to calculate - while 1ml water weighs 1g at 20'C, 1ml glycerine weighs 1.26g (1260mg), 1ml PG weighs 1.036g (1036mg), etc.)

Some solid preparations are measured in w/w - eg: a nicotine lozenge or gum could be measured in mg/g (though "per piece" would be easier for informing the end-user, but you can bet that the factory that makes them is working in mg/g during the production.)

Boots glycerine's an odd one of course - it's pure, so it's 100%, and the "v/v" is redundant in practice. Force of habit from dealing with medicines I suppose (it's pretty bloody obvious that 100/100 is 1ml/ml! )

[booker]

Cheers Nick!