SUGGESTIONS for cutting E Liquid

[PANG3000]

SUGGESTIONS please?
I want to lessen the intensity of the 36 MG nic bottles I initially purchased by cutting them with something safe.
I have seen the posts about Glycerin and Glycerol and how they improve the amount of vapor but that is not really a concern for me.
What other recommendations do you more experienced Vapers have for cutting the E Liquid?
Thanks.

[steveg1969]

personally i would cut 36mg with 25% Glycerin and take it down to 27mg juice.
You could cut it 50-50 but i find you lose to much of the original  flavour.

Cutting the nicotine strength will also cut the flavour strength.
I would try a small amount first say a couple of ml and see how it comes out,that way you will not waste a whole bottle of juice if it is not to your likeing.

Glycerin will make the liquid taste sweeter as well.

[PANG3000]

Thank you, Steve.
Any other recommendations of liquids suitable for cutting the E Liquid with other than some of the alcohols (vodka, gin, tequila) mentioned in other threads?
Just curious.

[steveg1969]

Some people use pure distilled water in there mixes from what i have read.

[L E Jay]

You can use distilled water and glycerine mix. Glycerine is basically the major substance of the liquid so you are cutting it with what a weaker strength solution would be made of, although I think the actual stuff is pharmaceutical rather than vegetable.

However the glycerine is pretty thick stuff and quite sweet so you can end up with a mouthful which isn't nice. That's why it is best to add some distilled.

Hmm. Someone did mention vodka, not sure what happens when you vapourise it.
You can end up overweakening it though which is pretty annoying and you end up back on the hard stuff.
Hope this helps.

[igetcha]

Thank you, Steve.
Any other recommendations of liquids suitable for cutting the E Liquid with other than some of the alcohols (vodka, gin, tequila) mentioned in other threads?
Just curious.

i would not cut juice with vodka, distilled water etc. i would only use a tiny amount of those to make glycerine a little less thick. if you want to cut your juice then the 2 choices you have is glycerine or propylene glycol.

if you done a 50/50 mix with vodka or distilled water you would end up with problems! only use small amounts of those for thinning a liquid rather than mixing!

[Tabasco]

or buy some weaker juice and mix them,

[Goffski]

I've mentioned vodka in another thread. I only use a small amount of this to thin down the glycerin and don't use it to cut the actual juice.

[efaglil]

As Tabasco's mentioned you could by some 0mg juice of the same flavour to cut it down.  Or, if you follow the Glycerin or PG route, you could buy some LorAnn flavourings to increase the taste...

igetcha?  I've used voddie and also absinthe to thin down glycerin, only a tiny bit mind.  No probs so far and I even think the alcohol content helps to clean the atomiser some.

PS. Sorry to hear about your poor sore paws mate!  Hope you have lots of painkillers!

[gfultz1]

what i do is i take my liquid nicotine  and cut it with glycerin  close to a 50/50 mix  i'll start off by doing just 1 ml to make sure i got the taste right  then mix the bigger batch with the formula  and my formula is  like i said almost 50/50  but i do add some everclear to thin it out not much because a little goes along ways i do 5-10 drops of everclear then as steve said you will lose some flavor because of the glycerin but you can add an added flavor to the mix to make up for loss taste a couple drops of flavor will boost  what the glycerin has taken away say for instance you were cutting a chocolate liquid add some of the loranns chocolate flavor to the mix will improve the flavor as for a regular tobacco flavor well you just have to experiment and see what works for you.

[exogenesis]

Was wondering if TW had considered stocking larger bottles of food-grade or Pharm-grade PG,
cos it seems the glycerol is way oversweet & masks Loranne flavours somewhat.

So that'll be 5x50ml bottles of 36 mg flavourless & one 500 ml bottle plain PG please

[Abe]

I have thought about this but there doesn't seem to be a huge mark-up on this stuff, it's like 50 cents a gallon isn't it? It would be good to have in as it might mean other people might buy it. What about it coming from china though? They don't have the same ISO's or whatever they are called do they?

[matt uk]

Abe,

you can buy PG on ebay from a chemical supplier in Northern Ireland, the only problem for me (and i'm sure this would apply to others as well) is that it comes in 1 litre bottles which is enough to last me a life time and probably more besides.

I for one would be prepared to pay a reasonable mark-up for the convenience of smaller bottles and the lack of hassle buying it in the same place as juice/batts/atomisers

Just my thoughts on the matter 

Matt

[exogenesis]

Same here, Definately.

An ebay supplier, only £10 for 1 litre:
Ebay PG supplier
but only spec is 99+% purity, not sure if that's good enough tho ?

What's the PG thats already use for your e-liquids ?, or are they pre-prepared elsewhere (like China?),
just curious don't have to say if that's a business thing

I was thinking more along the lines of a guaranteed high purity version,
I was trying to find some online a I started replying to this, but no luck so far.

[frogbmth]

Thats USP, highst grade you will get

[exogenesis]

USP and EPharm = 99.5 to 99.8 % afaik
(well actually I read in Merk or some-such catalog)

Edit, Sorry, I should at least get my sources correct:

http://www.dow.com/propyleneglycol/prod/pguspep.htm

Spec doc:
http://www.dow.com/webapps/lit/litorder.asp?filepath=propyleneglycol/pdfs/noreg/117-01600.pdf&pdf=true

[spiraller]

Thats USP, highst grade you will get

frog your knowledge is simply unsurmountable  

[frogbmth]

I know a bit about chemicals, I am a nutritional chemist you see 

[spiraller]

I know a bit about chemicals, I am a nutritional chemist you see 

maybe u can do all those tests exo was talking about then?!

[frogbmth]

You need a MSGC setup for the right tests, and a good wadge of cash 

Somebody needs to find a chemistry student looking for a project with access to a uni lab,

[exogenesis]

I not saying you're wrong frogbmth, but with a spec of '99+%' you can't guarantee it's USP/EP.

Looking at that Dow site they have a distributor in the NE UK:


No idea what their min order or price would be - & in case you're wondering I've no connection

The tests I think spiraller is referring to are only the evaporation residuals?,
I think TW already did the e-liquid GC-MS analysis, but the more tests the better

[frogbmth]

Agreed, as with anything on fleabay you don't know for sure what you are getting. It is listed as USP and this may or may not be correct.

[exogenesis]

I was wondering about that USP text under their ebay-entry 'Chemical Names' section,
cos the other chemical synonyms don't have USP by them, so it might possibly be a typo,
or at least an accidental inclusion.
Perhaps someone could contact them & verify it on way or the other.

If it is, then from TW's point of view, buying at £10 / litre, re-bottling & mark-up would at
least be another link in their armour, if not actually a great money spinner
Think of the great service to Mankind (OK, OK spiraller, and Womankind )

If it isn't & e.g. Dow's is purchasable in the relevant quantities & sensible-ish price,
then that might be ever better.

[frogbmth]

Reading it again, it could easily be just pasted text into the description from somewhere else. The real winner would be buying a big drum of PG and decanting into 250ml bottles I would think. That would be an attractive size for many of us.

[Abe]

I think the problem is, we wont decant liquids ourselves. We would have to buy it in pre-packaged.

[exogenesis]

ok, I see, that could severely limit your options.
Presumably that's sensible because of chemical handling licences and/or employee safety.
Perhaps someone else can re-bottle it for you, or if the ebay item is good, then there's no need to re-bottle.

I think I'm beginning to go off glycerol completely as a 'cutting agent',
apart from being too sweet & mask flavours, I am feeling some airway
tightness & 'restriction' effects that I didn't get with straight PG e-liquid (or real ciggs).

I know that's rhetoric rather than proof, and it could also be due to the flavours,
or even other things (like inhaling the 'cleaning cycle' burn off vapour - god that horrible)
but thinking of ditching glycerol myself.

[igetcha]

As Tabasco's mentioned you could by some 0mg juice of the same flavour to cut it down.  Or, if you follow the Glycerin or PG route, you could buy some LorAnn flavourings to increase the taste...

igetcha?  I've used voddie and also absinthe to thin down glycerin, only a tiny bit mind.  No probs so far and I even think the alcohol content helps to clean the atomiser some.

PS. Sorry to hear about your poor sore paws mate!  Hope you have lots of painkillers!

thats what i said mate! lol


and yeah, plenty of pain killers! hands getting a lot better now though

[DaveHHH]

ok, I see, that could severely limit your options.
Presumably that's sensible because of chemical handling licences and/or employee safety.
Perhaps someone else can re-bottle it for you, or if the ebay item is good, then there's no need to re-bottle.

I think I'm beginning to go off glycerol completely as a 'cutting agent',
apart from being too sweet & mask flavours, I am feeling some airway
tightness & 'restriction' effects that I didn't get with straight PG e-liquid (or real ciggs).

I know that's rhetoric rather than proof, and it could also be due to the flavours,
or even other things (like inhaling the 'cleaning cycle' burn off vapour - god that horrible)
but thinking of ditching glycerol myself.

My first post so be gentle:)

I use Glyerine BP 100% from my local chemist and mix it 60/40 with Vodka, then just add a few drops of Platinum Ice and flavouring in a 5ml bottle. I just got a passthrough from E-cigcity and the vapour is truly amazing - there is actually a fog in my office! Who says the vapour dissipates in seconds;)

By the way, I've just completed by own site on vaping - i know we all have our different ideas but i've tried to make it as simple as possible, based on my own experience over the last 10 weeks
http://www.thevaper.co.uk

[Larry]

I cut my 36mg menthol 50/50 with pg to get 18mg.  The menthol seems to hold up well but you can always enhance the flavor by adding a few drops of flavoring if you need to.